Jossy Appeal 2

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Jossy Appeal 2

Post by Jossy » Wed May 27, 2020 3:07 pm

Previous Appeal: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=336
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yes, well I do want to re-open it because I am now banned on discord without reason-
you have not proven any of my achievements have been illegitimate which can be shown in the original thread. After proving you were wrong on your accusation on Counter Strike: Source you simply closed the appeal. This is not fair.
Please show me an example where I have not been honest in my appeal ?
What is the truth according to you?

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Re: Jossy Appeal 2

Post by Jossy » Wed May 27, 2020 5:50 pm

btw i did relock the achievement that was against the rule set... all the other accusations have been refuted. so the end result should be there is no wrong doing. please tell me what was incorrect in my appeal.

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Re: Jossy Appeal 2

Post by Fabio » Wed May 27, 2020 6:20 pm

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=336&start=10#p1800
Jossy wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 10:12 am
I did not come here to "come clean" --> I am already clean.
I only came to this site because somebody notified me that I was banned and I wanted to know who banned me and why - because I'm pretty sure that admin at that time did it because I found out that he had in fact cheated.

I would not advise you to mark me as a 'cheater' as I would be forced to prepare a lawsuit in such case.
Absolutely no discussion on this matter will continue forward and you will continue to be fully banned on all achievement tracker leaderboards until you:
1. apologize for,
2. completely retract, and
3. agree to never threaten fallacious "lawsuits" regarding this matter again.

After that, we can work with you in good faith to resolve your various issues with achievement tracker leaderboard rule violations (intentional or not). This will continue to involve a deep dive of your troubled profile history and a relocking of achievements unlocked via disallowed methods.
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Re: Jossy Appeal 2

Post by Jossy » Wed May 27, 2020 7:30 pm

sorry but you are not going into this with an objective mind...
your language was deeply disturbing: threatening to mark me as a cheater on all websites.
this is a big deal for me
you accused me of cheating on counter strike source, i brought 2 witnesses (that i previously also did not know before) in that proved that it was not ; and in fact i did the opposite of what should be the process... I went through many troubles to show you that the achievements are not cheated - i am forced to defend myself against accusations rather than getting the benefit of the doubt that many other people do get after having CLEAR violations.

I don't believe I have any violations.

i hereby do 123 but then please also do the same and don't mark people as cheaters before having done a good study. thank you.

Again, the reason why I think you are not dealing objectively:
" This will continue to involve a deep dive of your troubled profile history and a relocking of achievements unlocked via disallowed methods." <--
1) what is my "troubled history"? there has not been any ... you have asked me about multiple games and all have been proven to be obtained fairly. the one acheivement you pointed out that was indeed aganist the rules, I agreed with you and I relocked it with SAR on your instruction which brings me to:
2) I relocked one achievement by YOUR instruction using SAR. I don't see how that is a "relocking of achievement via disallowed method" then??

i would like to know - why did my investigation take so long. what real troubles are there with my profile? please list them so it can be talked about. please bring forward any proof before threatning to or labeling me as a cheater.
it is not that i do not want to cooperate, but i do not want to be called a cheater either.

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Re: Jossy Appeal 2

Post by Jossy » Wed May 27, 2020 8:05 pm

and why this is so important for me: i worked very hard to get some of the hardest and rarest achievements out there because it was the only way for me to compete on a budget when other people were having 1000s of games in their collection. i am proud on my achievements and i really dont want anything being taken away "simply" by uninformed/unbased accusations. I would not compete if I would not believe in honesty. If you work very hard for something, you don't want it to be brushed off as cheating.

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Re: Jossy Appeal 2

Post by Xeinok » Wed May 27, 2020 10:39 pm

Jossy wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 7:30 pm
i hereby do 123
Thank you for your word on agreeing and promising to:
Fabio wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 6:20 pm
Absolutely no discussion on this matter will continue forward and you will continue to be fully banned on all achievement tracker leaderboards until you:
1. apologize for,
2. completely retract, and
3. agree to never threaten fallacious "lawsuits" regarding this matter again.

After that, we can work with you in good faith to resolve your various issues with achievement tracker leaderboard rule violations (intentional or not). This will continue to involve a deep dive of your troubled profile history and a relocking of achievements unlocked via disallowed methods.
Freaking out publicly on the discord and threatening insane/impossible lawsuits is NOT making your situation look more favorable or legitimate. All of us work hard on our achievements - we understand that it does not feel good to feel "accused". This is simply about keeping the leaderboards as fair as possible via the rules.

Please understand: Your "relaxation balls" file edited achievement alone was already enough to result in a full ban across all achievement trackers as per standard process: https://achievementhunting.com/rules#-p ... -cheating- & https://achievementhunting.com/rules#na-3. No one here is "threatening" to ban you from all achievement tracker leaderboards - staff is following standard process. You were already banned from all trackers, your lack of a ban on MGS was a clerical error.

It's not the end of the world to have broken a rule, that's why the appeal system is here - please r e l a x. This process will take some time - please have some p a t i e n c e.

You are allowed to respectfully present evidence to prove that you did not commit any suspected rule violations such as: your TF2 YouTube achievements with no record of past ownership of a YouTube video with 100k+ views from the time, an incredibly fast Jamestown 100%, obtaining broken achievements in CS:S, etc. but the Appeals Staff (after internal discussion, fact-checking, consulting with knowledgeable hunters, utilizing various inspector tools) may ultimately judge that some of your achievements are too dubious and must be relocked. We always error on the side of trusting a user and understanding that strange things can sometimes happen whenever possible. These appeal logs are backed up and kept forever, so you will not need to appeal these things again. This is a chance at a clean, fresh start. None of us here have a personal vendetta against you, but we will not tolerate harassment or threats of lawsuit. We want to work with you to help you clean your profile so that you can then continue to be a rule-abiding, legitimate achievement hunter.
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Re: Jossy Appeal 2

Post by Xeinok » Wed May 27, 2020 10:40 pm

None of us here will hold a grudge or blame you for past "cheating" and rule violations. I implore you to be fully 100% honest with us and to utilize this opportunity to clean your profile and move on past all of this.
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Re: Jossy Appeal 2

Post by Xeinok » Wed May 27, 2020 10:42 pm

Fabio will follow up with next steps.
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Re: Jossy Appeal 2

Post by Jossy » Thu May 28, 2020 4:19 am

@Xeinok

There's no clerical error, the owner of the site does not believe I cheated and that should be your approach as well.
The approach should be innocent until proven guilty.
I gave you the explenation of my youtube achievements and it's very plausible. There are websites that archive the internet, if you want to look it up with the information I've given you you may do so. But a user can not be deemed 'guilty' for not keeping his youtube account after 8 years... I told you the truth, if I had no intention of telling you the truth I would not have given you my youtube usernames and I could have linked you any random TF2 youtube video and claim I had ownership to the account - would you then ask me to proof I have access to the account? How would that work? Why must I prove that the achievements have been legit rather than you prove without a shadow of a doubt that they are not? The burden of proof should not be on me, unless you can prove it is 100% impossible to get the achievement, otherwise there's no fair process to this appeal. Some achievements are impossible to proof after such a long period of time, which means I would fail this appeal no matter what just based on suspicion and accusations.

The question should be: "Is it possible?" . If the answer is "yes" it should not be brought up again and again. Just because some achievements seem hard or impossible to you, maybe they were easy for me? Wheras I might have achievements still locked that are considered easy by other users... that's what makes achievement hunting fun, isn't it?
Now it's proven that in CS:S it is possible to get the achievement legit in the period that I got it due to the build of the game during that period. Yet, it was brought up again just now. Does it mean you are still not convinced? That shows me you are not even looking through the evidence presented by me - from impartial third parties mind you - , despite it would not be my job to proof it to you it would in fact be yours to prove the opposite.

The whole time every admin here talks about "coming clean" - this assumes guilt. This is fundamentally wrong. If I think I did something wrong, I would tell you. Most users come here say : Oh I used SAM in this this this game and then you unban them after relocking without question --- what prevents them from cheating again? Why are proven past cheaters being treated better than a respected legit player? I do not wish to be labeled like a cheater unless there's facts.. that would be a good process.
It is hard to relax when you're falsely being accused. I take cheating as a very serious crime ; please tell me if my appeal has any chance , if not - quit wasting my time.

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Re: Jossy Appeal 2

Post by Xeinok » Thu May 28, 2020 4:26 am

Xeinok wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 10:39 pm
Please understand: Your "relaxation balls" file edited achievement alone was already enough to result in a full ban across all achievement trackers as per standard process: https://achievementhunting.com/rules#-p ... -cheating- & https://achievementhunting.com/rules#na-3. No one here is "threatening" to ban you from all achievement tracker leaderboards - staff is following standard process. You were already banned from all trackers, your lack of a ban on MGS was a clerical error.
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